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GOP Wants America To Pay For Oil Clean Up!

Sun May 30, 2010 8:57 AM EDT
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By Sean-332093

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GOP blocks lifting of liability cap-Should Taxpayers Have To Pay For Oil Clean up?

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Inhofe blocks increased oil spill liability proposal
JIM MYERS World Washington Bureau
Published: 5/18/2010 3:53 PM
Last Modified: 5/18/2010 5:58 PM

WASHINGTON - U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe blocked Democrats' proposal Tuesday to boost the liability cap on oil spills from the current $75 million to $10 billion.

In objecting to letting the proposal move forward, the Oklahoma Republican warned its current form could actually end up helping big oil companies like BP by giving them exclusive rights to off-shore drilling.

Smaller, independent producers would be shut out, Inhofe said.

He expressed agreement with others that insist the liability cap should be increased, adding, however, he remains unsure at this point exactly what that figure should be.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=13&articleid=20100518_1_0_WASHIN171846&rss_lnk=1

Repeatedly ignored or overlooked in the midst of this current crises is the fact that the GOP and specifically Sen Inhofe-R-OK have repeatedly blocked attempts to lift the cap on what will become the most costly clean up in history dwarfing Obamacare and TARP combined.

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Sean-332093

This is your idea of fiscal responsibility??

  • 19 votes
Reply#1 - Sun May 30, 2010 8:45 AM EDT
Super Ultra

Republicans are all for free markets and deregulation until something like this happens and then they scream bloody murder that the government isn't doing enough and don't mind footing the enormous bill for something that a corporation's greed and stupidity caused. That has never made any sense to me.

Certainly there are things that we as taxpayers and members of society should pay for, but this is not one of them.

  • 23 votes
#1.1 - Sun May 30, 2010 10:02 AM EDT
Sean-332093

Well said.

I am socially left but fiscally conservative and mad as hell about this hypocrisy. Obama has in many ways disappointed me, yet I believe Goldwater, Eisenhower and Reagan are now spinning in their graves over what has become of their once Grand Old Party.

  • 18 votes
#1.2 - Sun May 30, 2010 10:09 AM EDT
Brandon-801865

Republicons have upped the ante from "Privatize profits and socialize debt" to "Privatize profits and socialize the economic impact of what may be the worst ecological disaster in human history.

What an awesome Party.

  • 21 votes
#1.3 - Sun May 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT
Slinger-958418

Yep, the party of NO (responsibility)

  • 16 votes
#1.4 - Sun May 30, 2010 12:00 PM EDT
CynicL1

Inhofe is a tool, a wholey owned corporate shill in the U.S. Senate.

  • 13 votes
#1.5 - Sun May 30, 2010 12:03 PM EDT
dcstone01

The whole thing is just heart sickening, I have no idea why anyone would bother voting republican ever again....

This is definitely showing the rest of the world the true colors of the GOP...

  • 12 votes
#1.6 - Sun May 30, 2010 2:13 PM EDT
davetopper

So is he suggesting that we the citizens help fit the bill for the accident and clean up? There is only one way to do that, and is he suggesting by helping BP we pay higher taxes?

Interesting.

  • 9 votes
#1.7 - Sun May 30, 2010 2:40 PM EDT
mavrick03Deleted
Colodomom

Smaller, independent producers would be shut out, Inhofe said.

Uh huh...wouldn't want to shut out all those ma and pa oil producers.

Isn't anybody capable of common sense thought anymore? First, there AREN'T ANY ma and pa oil producers. And secondly, any company that can't afford to clean up the gawd awful freakin oily mess SHOULDN'T BE DRILLING. Not in 30 feet of water as well as 5000.

Get a clue, this is Inhofe paying back his good ol' boys.

  • 7 votes
#1.9 - Sun May 30, 2010 8:38 PM EDT
nwnative

It's the good ole boys at work again. Pay attention people. BP has bribed the politicians from the Gulf Coast states to vote no on lifting the cap. Jeff Sessions from Alabama would only say when interviewed, "BP said they would pay for the state of Alabama", and nothing else. I trust Jeff Sessions looking out for Alabama as much as I trust BP and the Republican party.

  • 6 votes
#1.10 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:01 AM EDT
Rahlly

Did he forget that Alabama needs more than just money thrown at it?

Ahhh no, guess they just want money, I mean why would these people want to go back to jobs they love and gave them a sense of selfworth?

  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Mon May 31, 2010 1:13 PM EDT
mavrick03

wow deleting comments you do not agree with is a violation of the coh

Sean there was no attack or anything disparaging there

Mav

  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Mon May 31, 2010 7:55 PM EDT
Sean-332093

You're absolutely Mav. I should not have deleted it.

You are as entitled to your opinion here as anyone.

My apologies, I won't do it again

  • 1 vote
#1.13 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 1:11 AM EDT
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1623 yankee

The tigers' stripes are plain for all to see and we all know that a cat cannot change its stripes. The gop "leadership" is not an organization of men and women who care a single atom's worth for the welfare of the nation they live in nor its citizens. They are minions and members of the corporate wealthy elite whose SOLE purpose is to ensure the collection of wealth and power for their exclusive use and benefit.

No amount of apology, spin, deflection, excuses or political horse@!$%# can disguise or deny the blatant betrayals that the republican party and the gop "leadership" have foisted on this nation. Mr. Inhofe's traitorous blockading of corporate responsibility and justice for American citizens places him squarely in the camp of "domestic terrorist" and he should be brought up on charges of collusion and conspiracy to incite and enhance the downfall of the United States of America. He and his cronies are TRAITORS, plain and simple.

I DEMAND, as a citizen of the United States that this TRAITOR and criminal be investigated, indicted, tried and convicted of criminal conspiracy for TREASON!

  • 20 votes
Reply#2 - Sun May 30, 2010 9:16 AM EDT
wilgramax

Incompetence, corner cutting and lax management on the part of an oil company results in the explosion and sinking of its oil rig, which in turn results in an oil leak that they cannot shut off, with a price tag that is unknown but growing fast, and republicans want to limit that oil company's liability for the biggest environmental disaster in history and have the taxpayers pay for it.

This is a bailout that only a republican could love.

  • 17 votes
Reply#3 - Sun May 30, 2010 9:18 AM EDT
Sean-332093

This is a bailout that only a republican could love.

Actually, I think you will find that most REAL Republicans will be just as upset about this as we are.

  • 11 votes
#3.1 - Sun May 30, 2010 9:25 AM EDT
MikeBravo

You said "Actually, I think you will find that most REAL Republicans will be just as upset about this as we are". Fine and dandy, but what I think is that, at election time, they will hold their nose and vote the party ticket.

  • 7 votes
#3.2 - Sun May 30, 2010 12:28 PM EDT
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Sean-332093

I think there's plenty of blame to go around but this position of Inhofe's is indefensible IMO. Meanwhile, no less than 18 new drilling permits, some deep-water, have been issued by this administration which I consider equally shameful.

  • 8 votes
Reply#4 - Sun May 30, 2010 9:22 AM EDT
bonos_rama

The GOP is pro-tax just like the dems. They just lie about it, like they do with abortion. Everything they say they are against, they are actually for...so now the taxpayers will be taxed even more so that BP doesn't have to pay and take responsibility. Great.

  • 18 votes
Reply#5 - Sun May 30, 2010 9:34 AM EDT
ERich-356044

Absolutely correct bonos! Couldn't have said it better myself.

E

  • 9 votes
#5.1 - Sun May 30, 2010 9:56 AM EDT
ecce_ego

Exactly. Republicans NEED abortion to be legal so they can continue using it for the Christian vote, then doing absolutely nothing about it. (I'm a liberal pro-life Catholic. Weird, yah, I know. But to each his own.) They also complain about taxes so they can trick their sheep with little $300 rebates while raising taxes somewhere else, or raising costs in some way.

  • 6 votes
#5.2 - Sun May 30, 2010 1:08 PM EDT
ERich-356044

ecce_ego...

What an interestin combination! A liberal pro-life catholic! I am episcopal, so 'catholic light' as my friends call it. You have my sympathy as I somehow get what you go through.. I went to a christian college and heard.. you can't be liberal and be a christian soooo many times.

I agree on the need for the GOP to keep abortion legal... if they didn't have that, they would loose the christian vote overnight. The GOP needs also if I may add, illegals here so they can skirt taxes and make more of a profit. *sigh* America sure does need to wake up!

Hugs!

E

  • 1 vote
#5.3 - Sun May 30, 2010 1:59 PM EDT
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Sean-332093

bonos_rama

Good points, they are all crooks and we are the ones who will appearantly wind up having to pay for this.

  • 11 votes
Reply#6 - Sun May 30, 2010 9:38 AM EDT
Better Careful

It's a matter of history and record that the Republicans spend more than the Democrats. Worse, after that spending, Republicans decline to pay their bills. The point is that all this talk about fiscal responsibility is nonsense; their goal is to subvert progress and make themselves look better by promoting national failure. If they return to power it will be pigs-at-the-trough all over again.

It's a personal matter, this protection of corporate profits. Some of those profits find their way back to the pockets of Republican politicians. It's in their personal interest to have Americans pay for this private sector disaster, for it spreads around the pain, taking it from those who benefit from corporate profits, and putting in on those who don't.

"Privatize the gain; socialize the loss."

  • 17 votes
Reply#7 - Sun May 30, 2010 9:49 AM EDT
Sean-332093

I would love to see someone reasonable from the right attempt to reconcile this contradiction.

  • 10 votes
Reply#8 - Sun May 30, 2010 9:54 AM EDT
Dave-661352

I would love to see someone from the right...... reasonable.

  • 14 votes
#8.1 - Sun May 30, 2010 10:06 AM EDT
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Ex-Pat-1776

Funny but I'm reading in that article that Inhofe doesn't want to let BP off the hook by giving them a dollar amount to reach and then claim they fulfilled all their responsibilities. BP should be financially responsible for any and all costs for the cleanup of this oil spill no matter what that cost is. I'm hoping that is what Inhofe is getting at.

  • 1 vote
Reply#9 - Sun May 30, 2010 10:41 AM EDT
Sean-332093

Ex-Pat-1776

Inhofe asserts (Pathetically IMHO)that lifting the cap would hurt small operators and prevent them from competing in this market.

My rebuttal is that if you do not have the financial resources to cover your potential liability than you have no business drilling in the first place.

  • 12 votes
#9.1 - Sun May 30, 2010 11:10 AM EDT
Ex-Pat-1776

I saw that part in the article about hurting the little co. which seems odd to me because who's to say they can't make just a big a mess as the big co. can/do? Inhofe also agrees with the admin. on liabilities but honestly I do
think there's more to this. For one, as he stated, let's read this bill and look it over carefully. Look at all the holes in the healthcare reform bill because people were in a rush to get it out and not really look it over. I agree with you about liability but I'd like to see something in place that makes a company completely responsible for all damages (no limits). The current cap is a joke and raising it to a higher number still lets them off the hook.

  • 5 votes
#9.2 - Sun May 30, 2010 11:28 AM EDT
Sean-332093

Good points Ex-Pat.

We have no way of knowing the long-term costs as they are still cleaning up Exxon Valdez with no end in sight.

Knee-jerk reactions are rampant right now and we need some sensible options.

What will the ultimate cost be in $$$?

How long is a piece of string?

  • 3 votes
#9.3 - Sun May 30, 2010 11:53 AM EDT
Rahlly

Inhofe wants to leave the CAP at 75 million, he says (mind you only says) that he agrees the cap is too low but he doesn't want to raise to 10 BILLION hell, if he said, I think 10 Billion is too low, let's raise it to 25 Billion, people could get on bard with that but that's not what he says, he said that he's afraid of shutting out the little guy when it comes to oil exploration. So if a little guy cause 5 billion dollars worth of damage, just because he's a little guy he should be off the hook for it?

HELL NO!

You don't guy into a game you can't afford!

  • 9 votes
#9.4 - Sun May 30, 2010 12:06 PM EDT
Slinger-958418

You are forgetting though, that these oil companies are mandated to have a reserve fund specifically FOR accidents, etc. However, I believe that reserve fund is only supposed to be 1 billion (can't remember the exact number). There also needs to be a mandate that the reserve fund should be higher, since accidents are getting bigger and more prolific, shouldnt that reserve fund also be equilvalent to the possibility of an accident?

  • 3 votes
#9.5 - Sun May 30, 2010 12:07 PM EDT
rls8r

Ex-Pat -

Want to read the bill? Here ya go - it's only about 6 sentences or so. It amends section 1004(a)(3) of the Oil Pollution Act of 1990. Not much to it - is there?

This topic may turn out to be a tempest in a teapot - at least, with respect to the Deepwater Horizon release. The reluctance on the part of Inhofe certainly demonstrates where the GOP is coming from. And I, like some others here - believe that if you don't have the financial resources to cover potential liabilities (and can't get them - e.g., insurance, irrevocable letter of credit, etc.) then you have no business playing. Heck - I can't even get into a poker game without resources.

However - according to the testimony (actually, in the Q&A portion of the 5/18 hearing before the Senate Environment & Public Works Committee) provided by Salazar, BP has put in writing they will not limit themselves to the liability cap currently in the OPA (see the webcast testimony at 57:34). Now - I haven't seen what 'writing' Salazar is talking about - but I'd like to.

  • 2 votes
#9.6 - Sun May 30, 2010 2:53 PM EDT
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Sean-332093

Sorry GOP:

You cannot claim to be 'fiscally conservative' and support letting BP, Haliburton and Teansocean placing the cost of clean up on the American Taxpayer.

Either sack up and slam this or spare us ANY further BS about Obama bankrupting America

YOU can't have it both ways.

  • 15 votes
Reply#10 - Sun May 30, 2010 11:15 AM EDT
Edward-453134

So far, BP is already paying for the clean up efforts. If what is being suggested by the GOP, any money paid back in form of higher gas prices by the people will mean they will end up making a profit over a period of time. Clearly that would be going against the President. Why should the people of this country pay for their mistake? Why should they end up making a profit from it?

Why should those who make mistakes be well paid for them, while the people get screwed in the process? Being greedy and selfish, let the people pay, while a select few make millions, if not billions in return.

  • 9 votes
Reply#11 - Sun May 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT
Sean-332093

Well said Edward. IMO the GOP would do well to distance themselves from Inhofe and deal with this issue and the costs in a manner that reflects their claims to being fiscally responsible.

This story, in light of the 'Top Kill' failure is not going to go away and Dems will use Inhofe as a club to beat down GOP challengers in November if the GOP does not do something about it.

  • 4 votes
#11.1 - Sun May 30, 2010 11:44 AM EDT
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Dave the Voter 2

I'm always entertained by calls for fiscal responsibility to either party.

What's the difference between a big government Republican and a big government Democrat? Certainly not principle... You know... what we should do is contact Somalian pirates and ask them to cut their spending so that they don't have to take so many ships.

The price of crude is at an all time low, the price of gas is at a high... Corporate profits are through the roof... but we're afraid they might raise prices some more unless we cap their liability....

Got it.... I'm outta here.

  • 7 votes
Reply#12 - Sun May 30, 2010 11:55 AM EDT
willard

 

Sean-332093

Biggest error in your equation is putting Reagan into the group. Not so sure about Goldwater either but that is a moot question since he didn't actually put into practice any of his "ideas".

This mess began under Reagan's "leadership". Government is the problem was his BS philosophy. After 30 + years of deregulation and government bashing we are left w/ ineptitude and inefficiency.

We the taxpayers WILL end up paying for this mess. This is the REAL taxation without representation Tpers are always barking about. TPers (now the spokepersons for the Republican party) really don't understand what a corporation is or does. They are all for privatizing profits and socializing costs.

Until the right understands that simple fact they will continue to be lead astray by corporate fat cats and fed pabulum by their information agencies along with the brilliance of such far right luminaries as Palin, Joe the Plumber, Rand Paul and Fox snooze.

  • 5 votes
Reply#13 - Sun May 30, 2010 2:16 PM EDT
Sean-332093

Great points Willard thanks for your insights,

One if the reason Washington( I say Washington because the Dems have pulled their share of cute stunts as well) got away with so many shinanigans for so long,IMO. is that we were very disconnected as a people nationally and these types of dirty dealings happened either behind our backs under or we learned after it was too late to do anything about it.

Times are changing. People are better connected and better informed than they used to be.

One exception are the sheep Dem and Rep who watch only slanted opinions brought to them in the guise of news. which they take from mamas beak like a newborn chick, from the Beck's Olbermanns and O'Reilly's of the world without ever bothering to verify any part of it.

That IMO is laziness and its sad. "The greatest Trick The Devil ever played was to convince mankid he did not exist.

The greatest trick talking heads played was convincing us they are telling the truth when usually it is biased at best and often complete fabrications.

  • 2 votes
#13.1 - Sun May 30, 2010 8:34 PM EDT
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Mary-471639

Apparently so does Bobby Jindal, govenor of LA. BP gave the state of Loisianna 40 million dollars for damages for oil spill cleanup and tourism previous to May 20th. While Jindal is pointing the finger at the Obama administration he is sitting on 35 million of BP's fund. He put 15 mil of it in tourism , spent 5 mill, but here is the kicker, he put 25 mill in the oil response fund which has a 30 mill cap.

Louisiana's constitution says the purpose of the oil spill response fund is "to immediately provide available funds for response to all threatened or actual unauthorized discharges of oil, for cleanup of pollution from unauthorized discharges of oil, natural resources damages, damages sustained by any state agency or political subdivision, and removal costs from threatened, unauthorized discharges of oil."

These are my questions:

Why is Jindal sitting on the money, when he could be doing 2 things at once here, that would both effect cleanup efforts and help with unemployment in his state?

If the oil response fund has a 30 mill cap, is he trying to meet that cap and in doing so,does that relieve BP of some amount of financial obligations?

If the oil response fund is for immediate use, why is he sitting on it and at the same time accusing the WH admin for taking too long to respond?

www.shreveporttimes.com/.../State-gets-40-million-in-funds-from-BP

http://www.politico.com/playbook/

  • 5 votes
Reply#14 - Sun May 30, 2010 2:25 PM EDT
dcstone01

Good questions...

And, as with 'checks' from companies, there are usually 'fine print' clauses that accompanies these 'checks'...so cashing them automatically triggers these 'clauses'...

What are these clauses, and what exactly is in the 'fine print'?...

  • 5 votes
#14.1 - Sun May 30, 2010 2:33 PM EDT
network-gal

Exactly!! Go build your Sand berms with it Bobby-Go buy some floaty soaker uppers! Didn't Santa Barbara use sand human hair to soak theirs up?

  • 1 vote
#14.2 - Sun May 30, 2010 4:43 PM EDT
Sean-332093

Good questions Mary. dc,

We all know that these jokers;Dem and Rep have their own agenda, which we let them get away with, mostly.

But I think when something hits the country like this, (and I see this as a crime of deliberate indifference or criminal neglect.) It should not be business and politics as usual.

They need to quit playing politics,help these people right now and seize whatever they can from BP to pay for it.

  • 1 vote
#14.3 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 1:27 AM EDT
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Atsidi

By the time this bunch of buffoons we have in Washington get around to deciding anything we probably won't even need oil,

  • 1 vote
Reply#15 - Sun May 30, 2010 2:36 PM EDT
network-gal

If the smaller drillers can't afford this kind of cleanup they shouldn't be drilling in our waters.- Don't forget Oklahoma is an oil and gas state just like Texas.

Ask the folks on the Gulf who they think should pay for this.......

  • 3 votes
Reply#16 - Sun May 30, 2010 4:37 PM EDT
Better Careful

Small drillers?!? What small drillers?

Maybe I can get a $100,000,000 loan on my house to use as a down-payment on a small drilling operation. Yeah! That's the ticket. Exxon and BP and Shell would welcome some competition, I'm quite sure. So would their pals in Congress. Sounds very do-able to me, what'cha think?

Inhofe seeks taxpayer money for his pals in the industry. That might not be the ticket, necessarily, but it's the scam.

  • 4 votes
#16.1 - Sun May 30, 2010 6:08 PM EDT
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lovetocook74

hmmmm...........gotta wonder how much Inhofe got in campaign donations from BP to pull a bat-@!$%# crazy stunt like this.

  • 3 votes
Reply#18 - Sun May 30, 2010 7:26 PM EDT
BLOGER-486140

The 75 million amount is 25 years old. Adjusting if for inflation would bring it to 150 million. Alternatively a 10 billion liability will make sure the big boys behave and don't cut corners.

As for his second argument, do you really want Mom and Pop oil companies with shallow pockets drilling in these areas. If companies know they can go bankrupt if they cut corners, so much the better.

  • 3 votes
Reply#19 - Sun May 30, 2010 7:45 PM EDT
Sean-332093

My thinking too bloger.

Also, I believe that 10 billion is perhaps 1% of what the ultimate cost could be and an insult to those effected.

Clean up will take a generation and many fishermen, Shrimpers and people who worked in tourism, hospitality industries will never recover.

BP should be made to pay for that as well IMO

  • 1 vote
#19.1 - Sun May 30, 2010 9:06 PM EDT
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Ripley8

75 mill is nothing for a spill that will be affecting us decades to come.

the Exxon Valdez is still affecting us ..but they are no longer paying.

Oil Remains: The Persistence, Toxicity, and Impact of Exxon Valdez Oil
http://www.evostc.state.ak.us/recovery/lingeringoil.cfm

  • 3 votes
Reply#21 - Sun May 30, 2010 8:20 PM EDT
Sean-332093

Ripley8

75 mill is nothing for a spill that will be affecting us decades to come.

the Exxon Valdez is still affecting us ..but they are no longer paying.

This is where the test comes Ripley.

I have voted both parties in my lifetime and try to look beyond platforms to find individuals whose ideals and goals are aligned with my own and whom, I believe represent the best hope for our future.

Usually I am disapointed to a greater or lesser extent.

But when I have been wrong I admit it and try to take corrective action.

Bush supporters always puzzled me for the simple fact that the man embodied not one of the core values that I think of when I think traditional, Old School GOP:

1. Strong Military

2. Balanced Budget

3. Limited government

4. Strong values.

None of this was evident and the man from Texas. He and his admin spent like drunken frat boys on spring break and manifested the largest gov. in US history.

Republicans need to ask themselves, how letting BP off the hook, (anything less than full accountability is letting them off the hook IMO,) reconciles with their core ideals.

This is wrong for every American and Sen Inhofe has some serious explaining to do to.

  • 3 votes
Reply#22 - Sun May 30, 2010 8:59 PM EDT
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